Originally Posted by Digerati

So because you had one AMD notebook that had heat problems, you conclude that all AMDs (all 100 million or so) fail after 4 hours of use. Wow. Okay. It is useless to argue with that logic process. Have a good day.

Yes and my conclusion is not wrong , AMD is continuously losing its market to intel only because of heating problem.

Yes and my conclusion is right because AMD is continuously losing its market to intel only because of heating problem.

Urgh... Fanboy alert... I think the admins should probably just close this thread and delete my post.

Originally Posted by gavinhodges00

Originally Posted by Digerati

So because you had one AMD notebook that had heat problems, you conclude that all AMDs (all 100 million or so) fail after 4 hours of use. Wow. Okay. It is useless to argue with that logic process. Have a good day.

Yes and my conclusion is not wrong

Oh come on, Gavin. You seem smarter than that. Drawing conclusions from a single sample out of 100s of millions is NOT sound logic. I will follow Kaistar's suggestion to lock the thread if a constructive exchange with logical arguments is not possible.

AMD is continuously losing its market to intel only because of heating problem.

No sorry, Gavin. That is not correct. You appear to be un-informed, or have been misinformed on this topic. Assuming you are a reasonable person, I will just assume someone has been feeding you a bunch of malarkey, and you have not checked it out for yourself.

So I urge you to check it out for yourself at any major dedicated hardware site and get educated on this topic. Then come back. But if you are going to insist Intel is losing market share "only because of heating problems", come back with some evidence - educate ME! Provide links to real sites, not just a couple disgruntled AMD users in other forums (I can find folks that feel the same way with Intels) but real review sites. Show me real IT media sites that say AMDs are losing market share only because AMDs have heating problems. I can't find any! I entered AMD heat problems in Google and there's NOTHING! that indicates anything resembling a trend or pattern of heat problems with any model AMD CPU - because it is simply not true. Sure, there have been some set backs with some specific CPUs, but Intel's track record is not perfect either. The facts are, AMD's market share is (maybe - depending on what you read) taking a hit because Intel leapfrogged past them in cutting edge manufacturing technology! Intel CPUs regained the lead because on the whole, they outperform while consuming less power and generating less heat using 45nm technology.

xbit Labs -

Several analysts said in recently released notes that Advanced Micro Devices was losing market share to Intel Corp. in desktop and server markets due to product lineup that cannot compete against rival’s family.

And for the record, while down from Q3 of 2007, AMD's market share went UP!!! in Q3 of 2008! See Intel, AMD increase processor market share in Q3.

So I say again, AMDs are excellent CPUs and make excellent platforms for excellent computers for ANY task and therefore should not be eliminated from consideration simply because of some misguided "brand loyalty" for, or against a "name".

First of all i think we should close this thread , i searched Google with AMD heat problems , and i found forums which were discussing heat issues in AMD , again i searched Google with intel heat problems and i not found any forum discussing heat issues in intel.

Originally Posted by gavinhodges00

First of all i think we should close this thread

I would agree, but then additional comments were added that appear to be in response to this comment:,

Originally Posted by Digerati

So I urge you to check it out for yourself at any major dedicated hardware site and get educated on this topic. Then come back. But if you are going to insist Intel is losing market share "only because of heating problems", come back with some evidence - educate ME! Provide links to real sites, not just a couple disgruntled AMD users in other forums (I can find folks that feel the same way with Intels) but real review sites. Show me real IT media sites that say AMDs are losing market share only because AMDs have heating problems.

And the reply was,

Originally Posted by gavinhodges00

i searched Google with AMD heat problems , and i found forums

Forums? Forums are where people go with problems. The Toyota mechanic sees nothing but broken Toyotas all day too but that does not mean ALL, or most, or even a large percentage of the whole line of Toyotas are bad.

And as a hardware technician for 35+ years, I can tell you for a fact (for whatever my words in this "forum" are worth) that most heat related problems that come across my bench, regardless the CPU maker, are caused through user negligence. I have found:

• Case and PSU interiors caked with heat trapping dust, dirt, dander, microscopic things that eat dander, and their droppings, hair (human and pet - with cat hair the worst - next to cigarette smoke residue) blocking heatsink fins, fans, vents, and covering circuit boards and drives
  
• Irresponsible overclockers who failed to address or monitor cooling requirements for ALL critical systems stressed by such abuse
  
• Irresponsible alternative cooler users who failed to address cooling needs of other systems (besides the CPU) that ARE cooled (by design) by the CPU's OEM heatsink fan (HSF) assembly.
  
• Heat generating hardware upgrades (RAM, graphics, drives) without addressing added demands on case cooling
  
• Power hungry hardware upgrades without addressing power supply requirements - a stressed PSU taxes motherboard regulator circuits harder, leading to more heat

Nothing was presented and I cannot find any published, unbiased, science/laboratory-based testing that even suggests ANY evidence of AMD heat related problems when:

• Used in accordance with the CPUs published specifications (that is, not overclocked)
  
• Cooled with OEM, or OEM approved HSF assembly, properly mounted with a properly applied layer of TIM
  
• Housed in a case that provides adequate (enough fans and good front-to-back flow) heat removal - inherently difficult at best, within the confined space of the ever-shrinking notebook - which should never be operated on a lap, but on a hard, smooth surface.
  
• The computer's interior is kept clean of heat trapping dust - not a user task with notebooks, but the exterior vents and compartments can be cleared

I also found nothing about AMD "losing market share" due to "only heat", the original claim, nor has any reference to support that been presented.

Therefore, the only conclusion possible is that a computer properly maintained and operated within designed specifications and environments will NOT suffer from heat related problems, regardless the maker of the CPU.
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I said earlier, I would follow Kaistar's suggestion to lock the thread if a constructive exchange with logical arguments were not possible. That seems appropriate at this time. Since this thread belongs to NicDC (still sitting at just 1 post) or if others still wish to contribute, PM me and I will reopen it if needed.