okay but what about the 8600 ?? ^^
by the way since i am too nooby whats the short name for these staff?? cause i am not buying online ^^

No big difference in what I posted with an 8600 except an inferior graphics card.

As far as the other parts there would be no noticeable price change.

I listed the basics of a good "mid range" gamer.

If you require a "cheaper" setup then your games will always fall into a questionable range as to performance.

Sorry I don't know what you mean by "short name".

Also you will find no prices lower than Newegg especially with all their "deals".

You will not find those parts elsewhere for the same price.

yeah ... but i am still quite sure i am not buying online ( not cause of the price )
and by short name i mean if u look at the card name u will find it is
EVGA 01G-P3-N945-LR GeForce 9400 GT 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card - Retail

but when i am at the shop i will just say 9400 gt 1gb then we will start discussing ...
now thats what i meant for the cpu and motherboard ... ^^

ASUS P5Q SE/R

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400

you rock ... thanks ^^

1 last note ... for both 8600 and 9400 i need these right??

You don't "need" those exact products.

When I build a computer first off I go to Newegg.

Next I need a budget and a purpose for the computer.

In this case I received no budget but was given the impression that it was moderate and that the goal of the computer was gaming.

From that data I choose the parts I did. Many choices were based on the Newegg price and add-on deals.

If you have to pay $20 more for that same motherboard then a different one might work out better.

So on and so forth. Some of those Newegg deals were pretty amazing but again you will not find those prices on the local retail market.

If you want a brand guideline I'd suggest the following:

PSU: Thermaltake or Enermax

CPU: Intel Core Duo (minimum)

Graphics: NVIDIA / EVGA or XFX

Motherboard: ASUS

RAM: Kingston or Corsair

okay i am really sorry for asking question this nooby but
when i said "need" i did not mean require i meant can the staff u listed b4 run on the 8600 with the games i want

hey jeph i finally made the decision and went to the shop to buy exactly as you told me ... with the 9400 as video card ... however everything went well until i asked the guy about the cpu ... as you might already know i know nothing about CPU and turns out that there is core 2 duo and dual core ... now i know this is probably the dumbest question since the guy laughed when i asked him .. but whats the possible difference between those 2 considering games ??? because cure 2 duo must be more expensive for a reasom but since the guy laughed + i did not know which cpu to go for ... i left without buying anything ... so i really need to know which to buy and why considering to games ... thanks

For a quick reply:

core 2 duo and dual core - Google Search

If you need more detail just ask.

i tried every link from google all of them keep talking about speed and pwoer and blah blah blaaah ... but what i really need to know .. the games ... u already know my list whats the difference between dual and core 2 duo considering the games list :d

+ thanks alot for replying although it has been a while on this post